getting latest build

I read on the internet that th elatest build 5456 is out an dmuch more stable than previously, including - I hope - more WLAN nw adepter driver support.
My simple question is how I get hold of this cause Windows update does not seem to download it, cause I am still running build 5384 ...
Can anyone help ? Cause I am desparate to get my WLAN Netgear WPV111 device to work !

Judging from your posts, I would guess that you are part of the CPP, so you can not legally get it.
I doubt there are more 3rd party drivers installed, especially of those drivers are not on the manufacturers site.
The newer build is for the Technical Beta crew...some love it, some hate it...One said it is like 2 steps forward and 1 step back.
"Kjell Wallin" wrote in message

I read on the internet that th elatest build 5456 is out an dmuch more stable than previously, including - I hope - more WLAN nw adepter driver support.
My simple question is how I get hold of this cause Windows update does not seem to download it, cause I am still running build 5384 ...
Can anyone help ? Cause I am desparate to get my WLAN Netgear WPV111 device to work !

The x86 edition of 5456 is a big improvement over 5384 for me. It will vary wildly depending on the tester's setup and that is why all of the contradictory impressions. The new drivers are coming down to everybody via WU anyway, so no one needs the later builds for that.
"Zapper" wrote in message

Judging from your posts, I would guess that you are part of the CPP, so you can not legally get it.
I doubt there are more 3rd party drivers installed, especially of those drivers are not on the manufacturers site.
The newer build is for the Technical Beta crew...some love it, some hate it...One said it is like 2 steps forward and 1 step back.
"Kjell Wallin" wrote in message I read on the internet that th elatest build 5456 is out an dmuch more stable than previously, including - I hope - more WLAN nw adepter driver support.
My simple question is how I get hold of this cause Windows update does not seem to download it, cause I am still running build 5384 ...
Can anyone help ? Cause I am desparate to get my WLAN Netgear WPV111 device to work !

http://www.activewin.com/awin/comments.asp?HeadlineIndex=35590&Group=1
Dear Longhorn / Windows Vista Beta Tester, We are pleased to announce the availability of Microsoft® WindowsT VistaT Build 5456!! Many, many of the things you've reported in Beta 2 have been fixed. While we believe this build to be generally better than beta 2, it is an interim build and has not been through a rigorous test pass. Keeping that in mind we would like you to try it out, move off of Beta 2 and begin filing bugs against 5456. In addition to the many bug fixes you'll find:
a.. List View is back! Thanks to your feedback on this the shell team has added back this popular feature. b.. We no longer change the system clock when you set your time zone. We have removed this feature. c.. UAC behavior has changed a bit. You'll find deleting things off the desktop to work much easier now for starters. d.. The images posted first will be for x86 and x64 English. Home Basic, Home Premium, Business and Ultimate are all in the image and can be installed with the appropriate product key. You will not need a new key for this build. Existing beta 2 keys will work. e.. The Windows Driver Kit, Software Development Kit in addition to German and Japanese language versions of Vista are planned to follow shortly. Upgrade Beta 2 - Beta 2 to RC1 will be a supported scenario. We need your help finding bugs we need to fix that may impact our TAP customers that have deployed Beta 2 and the Preview Program users who may upgrade. The below items are a few we know about already. If you must clean install, clean install Home Basic or Home Premium and hunt for bugs specific to that build. Do the help files point at a feature that's not there? Is there something broken there that works in Ultimate?
Please take the time to verify bugs you've filed that are still active. Go to Connect and let us know if they still happen or if they have been fixed. When burning your DVD's please do so at 1x or 2x and CRC them when done using the CRC utility posted on the Connect site. The customer experience improvement telemetry that we've been getting back on Beta 2 shows that not quite ¾ of setup failures are the result of a failure to read from the media. Testing shows that burning at slower speeds greatly increases the chances of a good burn.
a.. Remove Applications Before Upgrading When upgrading Windows Vista Beta2 x64 to Windows Vista 5456 x64 you may be unable to uninstall applications after the upgrade is completed. We recommend users uninstall any applications prior to upgrade that you may need to remove after the upgrade has completed. b.. Potential Data Loss with Windows Mail Existing Windows Mail settings AND Data will NOT migrate successfully from Beta 2 to 5456. Be sure to use Windows Easy Transfer to save any Windows Mail data you care about before upgrading. You will receive an error message when first booting into 5456.5 that says "Unable to upgrade your message databases." Once the upgrade completes you can restore your Windows Mail settings and data using Windows Easy Transfer. c.. Last Logged in User Changed on Upgrade When upgrading from Beta 2 to 5456, the last logged in username shown at the logon screen after completing the upgrade will be Administrator. You will need to click the "Switch User" button to login as your user account. d.. Xbox 360 as a Media Center Extender Support for Xbox 360 as a Media Center extender is not included in this Vista build. In order to continue using the Xbox 360 as a Media Center Extender with Vista, please remain on Beta 2 (build 5384). Support for the Xbox 360 as an Extender will be available in a future Vista build. e.. Pseudo Localized Text Present Parts of the OS contain Pseudo-localized text, or non-english characters placed together to approximate English words. (Text that looks similar to the following: "?i?d??§ ?èðì? Þläÿ??") This is used internally, is known and being addressed in future builds. f.. Username with a . generates error On a clean install, during OOBE, if you add a username which contains a period (.) in it, you will receive an error message after hitting next that says your computer name is invalid. You will need to remove the period from the computer name to continue. This is set to be fixed in a future build. Please take the time to download and provide feedback as early as possible. Information about ways to provide feedback can be located in the Feedback icon on the desktop of your Windows Vista system. Participants may access the new build immediately by going to the Longhorn/Windows Vista home page on Connect and selecting Downloads from the left-hand pane. New product keys are available on Connect for Home, Home Premium, Business, . Your previous keys from package [5342 and Up] will continue activate Ultimate edition.

From http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,2180,1982512,00.asp
On June 27, when asked whether Microsoft had any availability update, a spokeswoman provided the following statement, via e-mail:
"In March we announced 'Microsoft is on track to complete the product this year, with business availability in November 2006 and broad consumer availability in January 2007.' We continue to track to those dates but have always said (and our customers expect) that quality is the final determinant."
The company plans to make available Release Candidate 1, the near-final and more broadly available test build, of Vista in the third calendar quarter of this year, the spokeswoman added.
Some testers who downloaded the new build over the weekend said they felt Microsoft should have designated 5456 as Beta 2 and held off from releasing the code to a wider testing audience until this week. Others said they thought Microsoft should give all Beta 2 testers the option of installing the latest test build, as it is more stable and solid than the code they downloaded a month ago.
The new Vista test build "feels like, two steps forward, and one step back" when compared to Beta 2, said Ryan Hoffman, a Windows tester and founder of the Extended64.com Web site. "I've had some bad experiences with Desktop Window Manager (DWM) on my desktop, but overall, it's better than Beta 2."
Of the few new additions to Build 5456 are:
a.. An option to install and turn on the ActiveX installer service. The service is designed to facilitate the installation of ActiveX controls, if approved by an administrator, by a standard user. The goal: To make User Account Control (UAC) security more practical and useful to enterprises.
a.. The return of the List View feature
a.. Fewer UAC prompts, especially when deleting items from the desktop
a.. Draggable Internet Explorer tabs Microsoft officials are aware of problems that testes have encountered with Beta 2, and are encouraging testers to continue to report them.
"Not quite three-fourths of (Beta 2) setup failures are the result of a failure to read from the media," Microsoft officials reported in the note inviting testers to try Build 5456. "Testing shows that burning at slower speeds greatly increases the chances of a good burn."
But 5456 isn't problem-free, either. Microsoft is cautioning testers to remove applications before upgrading from Beta 2 to 5456 in certain cases.
"When upgrading Windows Vista Beta2 x64 to Windows Vista 5456 x64 you may be unable to uninstall applications after the upgrade is completed. We recommend users uninstall any applications prior to upgrade that you may need to remove after the upgrade has completed," Microsoft officials said, via the note to testers.
Microsoft also is cautioning testers that their existing Windows Mail settings and data will not migrate successfully from Beta 2 to 5456.
Several testers running 5456 said poor driver support continues to be a nagging problem for Vista.
"The biggest problems that I have is with drivers," Extended 64's Hoffman said. "Right now, nVidia graphics drivers are just not at the quality that they need to be - and that's my frustration."
Brandon LeBlanc, a blogger with Microsoft's The Hive online community site, also said he is having driver problems, even with the latest build.
"I like 5456, but it doesn't run well on the Toshiba M400 due to lack of drivers on Intel's part," LeBlanc said.
Since Beta 2, the M400 has been unable to sport (Vista's Aero) Glass (interface) due to the lack of drivers. Now this isn't the fault of Microsoft but rather Intel. Intel needs to get with the program here," LeBlanc blogged.
"Kjell Wallin" wrote in message

I read on the internet that th elatest build 5456 is out an dmuch more stable than previously, including - I hope - more WLAN nw adepter driver support.
My simple question is how I get hold of this cause Windows update does not seem to download it, cause I am still running build 5384 ...
Can anyone help ? Cause I am desparate to get my WLAN Netgear WPV111 device to work !

5456 is Beta 2. It is just another interim build. Unfortunately, if you are not a Techbeta tester no one here can tell you how to download it since it is only available through Microsoft Connect to registered testers.
Everyone knows this Chad.
"Chad Harris" <Bushisamoron.net> wrote in message

http://www.activewin.com/awin/comments.asp?HeadlineIndex=35590&Group=1
Dear Longhorn / Windows Vista Beta Tester, We are pleased to announce the availability of Microsoft® WindowsT VistaT Build 5456!! Many, many of the things you've reported in Beta 2 have been fixed. While we believe this build to be generally better than beta 2, it is an interim build and has not been through a rigorous test pass. Keeping that in mind we would like you to try it out, move off of Beta 2 and begin filing bugs against 5456. In addition to the many bug fixes you'll find:
a.. List View is back! Thanks to your feedback on this the shell team has added back this popular feature. b.. We no longer change the system clock when you set your time zone. We have removed this feature. c.. UAC behavior has changed a bit. You'll find deleting things off the desktop to work much easier now for starters. d.. The images posted first will be for x86 and x64 English. Home Basic, Home Premium, Business and Ultimate are all in the image and can be installed with the appropriate product key. You will not need a new key for this build. Existing beta 2 keys will work. e.. The Windows Driver Kit, Software Development Kit in addition to German and Japanese language versions of Vista are planned to follow shortly. Upgrade Beta 2 - Beta 2 to RC1 will be a supported scenario. We need your help finding bugs we need to fix that may impact our TAP customers that have deployed Beta 2 and the Preview Program users who may upgrade. The below items are a few we know about already. If you must clean install, clean install Home Basic or Home Premium and hunt for bugs specific to that build. Do the help files point at a feature that's not there? Is there something broken there that works in Ultimate?
Please take the time to verify bugs you've filed that are still active. Go to Connect and let us know if they still happen or if they have been fixed. When burning your DVD's please do so at 1x or 2x and CRC them when done using the CRC utility posted on the Connect site. The customer experience improvement telemetry that we've been getting back on Beta 2 shows that not quite ¾ of setup failures are the result of a failure to read from the media. Testing shows that burning at slower speeds greatly increases the chances of a good burn.
a.. Remove Applications Before Upgrading When upgrading Windows Vista Beta2 x64 to Windows Vista 5456 x64 you may be unable to uninstall applications after the upgrade is completed. We recommend users uninstall any applications prior to upgrade that you may need to remove after the upgrade has completed. b.. Potential Data Loss with Windows Mail Existing Windows Mail settings AND Data will NOT migrate successfully from Beta 2 to 5456. Be sure to use Windows Easy Transfer to save any Windows Mail data you care about before upgrading. You will receive an error message when first booting into 5456.5 that says "Unable to upgrade your message databases." Once the upgrade completes you can restore your Windows Mail settings and data using Windows Easy Transfer. c.. Last Logged in User Changed on Upgrade When upgrading from Beta 2 to 5456, the last logged in username shown at the logon screen after completing the upgrade will be Administrator. You will need to click the "Switch User" button to login as your user account. d.. Xbox 360 as a Media Center Extender Support for Xbox 360 as a Media Center extender is not included in this Vista build. In order to continue using the Xbox 360 as a Media Center Extender with Vista, please remain on Beta 2 (build 5384). Support for the Xbox 360 as an Extender will be available in a future Vista build. e.. Pseudo Localized Text Present Parts of the OS contain Pseudo-localized text, or non-english characters placed together to approximate English words. (Text that looks similar to the following: "?i?d??§ ?èðì? Þläÿ??") This is used internally, is known and being addressed in future builds. f.. Username with a . generates error On a clean install, during OOBE, if you add a username which contains a period (.) in it, you will receive an error message after hitting next that says your computer name is invalid. You will need to remove the period from the computer name to continue. This is set to be fixed in a future build. Please take the time to download and provide feedback as early as possible. Information about ways to provide feedback can be located in the Feedback icon on the desktop of your Windows Vista system. Participants may access the new build immediately by going to the Longhorn/Windows Vista home page on Connect and selecting Downloads from the left-hand pane. New product keys are available on Connect for Home, Home Premium, Business, . Your previous keys from package [5342 and Up] will continue activate Ultimate edition.

From http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,2180,1982512,00.asp
On June 27, when asked whether Microsoft had any availability update, a spokeswoman provided the following statement, via e-mail:
"In March we announced 'Microsoft is on track to complete the product this year, with business availability in November 2006 and broad consumer availability in January 2007.' We continue to track to those dates but have always said (and our customers expect) that quality is the final determinant."
The company plans to make available Release Candidate 1, the near-final and more broadly available test build, of Vista in the third calendar quarter of this year, the spokeswoman added.
Some testers who downloaded the new build over the weekend said they felt Microsoft should have designated 5456 as Beta 2 and held off from releasing the code to a wider testing audience until this week. Others said they thought Microsoft should give all Beta 2 testers the option of installing the latest test build, as it is more stable and solid than the code they downloaded a month ago.
The new Vista test build "feels like, two steps forward, and one step back" when compared to Beta 2, said Ryan Hoffman, a Windows tester and founder of the Extended64.com Web site. "I've had some bad experiences with Desktop Window Manager (DWM) on my desktop, but overall, it's better than Beta 2."
Of the few new additions to Build 5456 are:
a.. An option to install and turn on the ActiveX installer service. The service is designed to facilitate the installation of ActiveX controls, if approved by an administrator, by a standard user. The goal: To make User Account Control (UAC) security more practical and useful to enterprises.
a.. The return of the List View feature
a.. Fewer UAC prompts, especially when deleting items from the desktop
a.. Draggable Internet Explorer tabs Microsoft officials are aware of problems that testes have encountered with Beta 2, and are encouraging testers to continue to report them.
"Not quite three-fourths of (Beta 2) setup failures are the result of a failure to read from the media," Microsoft officials reported in the note inviting testers to try Build 5456. "Testing shows that burning at slower speeds greatly increases the chances of a good burn."
But 5456 isn't problem-free, either. Microsoft is cautioning testers to remove applications before upgrading from Beta 2 to 5456 in certain cases.
"When upgrading Windows Vista Beta2 x64 to Windows Vista 5456 x64 you may be unable to uninstall applications after the upgrade is completed. We recommend users uninstall any applications prior to upgrade that you may need to remove after the upgrade has completed," Microsoft officials said, via the note to testers.
Microsoft also is cautioning testers that their existing Windows Mail settings and data will not migrate successfully from Beta 2 to 5456.
Several testers running 5456 said poor driver support continues to be a nagging problem for Vista.
"The biggest problems that I have is with drivers," Extended 64's Hoffman said. "Right now, nVidia graphics drivers are just not at the quality that they need to be - and that's my frustration."
Brandon LeBlanc, a blogger with Microsoft's The Hive online community site, also said he is having driver problems, even with the latest build.
"I like 5456, but it doesn't run well on the Toshiba M400 due to lack of drivers on Intel's part," LeBlanc said.
Since Beta 2, the M400 has been unable to sport (Vista's Aero) Glass (interface) due to the lack of drivers. Now this isn't the fault of Microsoft but rather Intel. Intel needs to get with the program here," LeBlanc blogged.
"Kjell Wallin" wrote in message I read on the internet that th elatest build 5456 is out an dmuch more stable than previously, including - I hope - more WLAN nw adepter driver support.
My simple question is how I get hold of this cause Windows update does not seem to download it, cause I am still running build 5384 ...
Can anyone help ? Cause I am desparate to get my WLAN Netgear WPV111 device to work !

Posted for the features MSFT claimed to fix or reintroduce not for the quote included about who can use it. There seem to be many threads about the features of what everyone doesn't have which is always part of the MSFT marketing strategy. They can't keep a secret like Apple, so they try to buil interest by witholding interim builds--a stategy since 95.
CH
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message

5456 is Beta 2. It is just another interim build. Unfortunately, if you are not a Techbeta tester no one here can tell you how to download it since it is only available through Microsoft Connect to registered testers.
Everyone knows this Chad.
"Chad Harris" <Bushisamoron.net> wrote in message
http://www.activewin.com/awin/comments.asp?HeadlineIndex=35590&Group=1
Dear Longhorn / Windows Vista Beta Tester, We are pleased to announce the availability of Microsoft® WindowsT VistaT Build 5456!! Many, many of the things you've reported in Beta 2 have been fixed. While we believe this build to be generally better than beta 2, it is an interim build and has not been through a rigorous test pass. Keeping that in mind we would like you to try it out, move off of Beta 2 and begin filing bugs against 5456. In addition to the many bug fixes you'll find:
a.. List View is back! Thanks to your feedback on this the shell team has added back this popular feature. b.. We no longer change the system clock when you set your time zone. We have removed this feature. c.. UAC behavior has changed a bit. You'll find deleting things off the desktop to work much easier now for starters. d.. The images posted first will be for x86 and x64 English. Home Basic, Home Premium, Business and Ultimate are all in the image and can be installed with the appropriate product key. You will not need a new key for this build. Existing beta 2 keys will work. e.. The Windows Driver Kit, Software Development Kit in addition to German and Japanese language versions of Vista are planned to follow shortly. Upgrade Beta 2 - Beta 2 to RC1 will be a supported scenario. We need your help finding bugs we need to fix that may impact our TAP customers that have deployed Beta 2 and the Preview Program users who may upgrade. The below items are a few we know about already. If you must clean install, clean install Home Basic or Home Premium and hunt for bugs specific to that build. Do the help files point at a feature that's not there? Is there something broken there that works in Ultimate?
Please take the time to verify bugs you've filed that are still active. Go to Connect and let us know if they still happen or if they have been fixed. When burning your DVD's please do so at 1x or 2x and CRC them when done using the CRC utility posted on the Connect site. The customer experience improvement telemetry that we've been getting back on Beta 2 shows that not quite ¾ of setup failures are the result of a failure to read from the media. Testing shows that burning at slower speeds greatly increases the chances of a good burn.
a.. Remove Applications Before Upgrading When upgrading Windows Vista Beta2 x64 to Windows Vista 5456 x64 you may be unable to uninstall applications after the upgrade is completed. We recommend users uninstall any applications prior to upgrade that you may need to remove after the upgrade has completed. b.. Potential Data Loss with Windows Mail Existing Windows Mail settings AND Data will NOT migrate successfully from Beta 2 to 5456. Be sure to use Windows Easy Transfer to save any Windows Mail data you care about before upgrading. You will receive an error message when first booting into 5456.5 that says "Unable to upgrade your message databases." Once the upgrade completes you can restore your Windows Mail settings and data using Windows Easy Transfer. c.. Last Logged in User Changed on Upgrade When upgrading from Beta 2 to 5456, the last logged in username shown at the logon screen after completing the upgrade will be Administrator. You will need to click the "Switch User" button to login as your user account. d.. Xbox 360 as a Media Center Extender Support for Xbox 360 as a Media Center extender is not included in this Vista build. In order to continue using the Xbox 360 as a Media Center Extender with Vista, please remain on Beta 2 (build 5384). Support for the Xbox 360 as an Extender will be available in a future Vista build. e.. Pseudo Localized Text Present Parts of the OS contain Pseudo-localized text, or non-english characters placed together to approximate English words. (Text that looks similar to the following: "?i?d??§ ?èðì? Þläÿ??") This is used internally, is known and being addressed in future builds. f.. Username with a . generates error On a clean install, during OOBE, if you add a username which contains a period (.) in it, you will receive an error message after hitting next that says your computer name is invalid. You will need to remove the period from the computer name to continue. This is set to be fixed in a future build. Please take the time to download and provide feedback as early as possible. Information about ways to provide feedback can be located in the Feedback icon on the desktop of your Windows Vista system. Participants may access the new build immediately by going to the Longhorn/Windows Vista home page on Connect and selecting Downloads from the left-hand pane. New product keys are available on Connect for Home, Home Premium, Business, . Your previous keys from package [5342 and Up] will continue activate Ultimate edition.

From http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,2180,1982512,00.asp
On June 27, when asked whether Microsoft had any availability update, a spokeswoman provided the following statement, via e-mail:
"In March we announced 'Microsoft is on track to complete the product this year, with business availability in November 2006 and broad consumer availability in January 2007.' We continue to track to those dates but have always said (and our customers expect) that quality is the final determinant."
The company plans to make available Release Candidate 1, the near-final and more broadly available test build, of Vista in the third calendar quarter of this year, the spokeswoman added.
Some testers who downloaded the new build over the weekend said they felt Microsoft should have designated 5456 as Beta 2 and held off from releasing the code to a wider testing audience until this week. Others said they thought Microsoft should give all Beta 2 testers the option of installing the latest test build, as it is more stable and solid than the code they downloaded a month ago.
The new Vista test build "feels like, two steps forward, and one step back" when compared to Beta 2, said Ryan Hoffman, a Windows tester and founder of the Extended64.com Web site. "I've had some bad experiences with Desktop Window Manager (DWM) on my desktop, but overall, it's better than Beta 2."
Of the few new additions to Build 5456 are:
a.. An option to install and turn on the ActiveX installer service. The service is designed to facilitate the installation of ActiveX controls, if approved by an administrator, by a standard user. The goal: To make User Account Control (UAC) security more practical and useful to enterprises.
a.. The return of the List View feature
a.. Fewer UAC prompts, especially when deleting items from the desktop
a.. Draggable Internet Explorer tabs Microsoft officials are aware of problems that testes have encountered with Beta 2, and are encouraging testers to continue to report them.
"Not quite three-fourths of (Beta 2) setup failures are the result of a failure to read from the media," Microsoft officials reported in the note inviting testers to try Build 5456. "Testing shows that burning at slower speeds greatly increases the chances of a good burn."
But 5456 isn't problem-free, either. Microsoft is cautioning testers to remove applications before upgrading from Beta 2 to 5456 in certain cases.
"When upgrading Windows Vista Beta2 x64 to Windows Vista 5456 x64 you may be unable to uninstall applications after the upgrade is completed. We recommend users uninstall any applications prior to upgrade that you may need to remove after the upgrade has completed," Microsoft officials said, via the note to testers.
Microsoft also is cautioning testers that their existing Windows Mail settings and data will not migrate successfully from Beta 2 to 5456.
Several testers running 5456 said poor driver support continues to be a nagging problem for Vista.
"The biggest problems that I have is with drivers," Extended 64's Hoffman said. "Right now, nVidia graphics drivers are just not at the quality that they need to be - and that's my frustration."
Brandon LeBlanc, a blogger with Microsoft's The Hive online community site, also said he is having driver problems, even with the latest build.
"I like 5456, but it doesn't run well on the Toshiba M400 due to lack of drivers on Intel's part," LeBlanc said.
Since Beta 2, the M400 has been unable to sport (Vista's Aero) Glass (interface) due to the lack of drivers. Now this isn't the fault of Microsoft but rather Intel. Intel needs to get with the program here," LeBlanc blogged.
"Kjell Wallin" wrote in message I read on the internet that th elatest build 5456 is out an dmuch more stable than previously, including - I hope - more WLAN nw adepter driver support.
My simple question is how I get hold of this cause Windows update does not seem to download it, cause I am still running build 5384 ...
Can anyone help ? Cause I am desparate to get my WLAN Netgear WPV111 device to work !

If you are so anti-MS then why did you even bother to download the CPP?
"Chad Harris" <Bushisamoron.net> wrote in message

Posted for the features MSFT claimed to fix or reintroduce not for the quote included about who can use it. There seem to be many threads about the features of what everyone doesn't have which is always part of the MSFT marketing strategy. They can't keep a secret like Apple, so they try to buil interest by witholding interim builds--a stategy since 95.
CH
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message 5456 is Beta 2. It is just another interim build. Unfortunately, if you are not a Techbeta tester no one here can tell you how to download it since it is only available through Microsoft Connect to registered testers.
Everyone knows this Chad.
"Chad Harris" <Bushisamoron.net> wrote in message
http://www.activewin.com/awin/comments.asp?HeadlineIndex=35590&Group=1
Dear Longhorn / Windows Vista Beta Tester, We are pleased to announce the availability of Microsoft® WindowsT VistaT Build 5456!! Many, many of the things you've reported in Beta 2 have been fixed. While we believe this build to be generally better than beta 2, it is an interim build and has not been through a rigorous test pass. Keeping that in mind we would like you to try it out, move off of Beta 2 and begin filing bugs against 5456. In addition to the many bug fixes you'll find:
a.. List View is back! Thanks to your feedback on this the shell team has added back this popular feature. b.. We no longer change the system clock when you set your time zone. We have removed this feature. c.. UAC behavior has changed a bit. You'll find deleting things off the desktop to work much easier now for starters. d.. The images posted first will be for x86 and x64 English. Home Basic, Home Premium, Business and Ultimate are all in the image and can be installed with the appropriate product key. You will not need a new key for this build. Existing beta 2 keys will work. e.. The Windows Driver Kit, Software Development Kit in addition to German and Japanese language versions of Vista are planned to follow shortly. Upgrade Beta 2 - Beta 2 to RC1 will be a supported scenario. We need your help finding bugs we need to fix that may impact our TAP customers that have deployed Beta 2 and the Preview Program users who may upgrade. The below items are a few we know about already. If you must clean install, clean install Home Basic or Home Premium and hunt for bugs specific to that build. Do the help files point at a feature that's not there? Is there something broken there that works in Ultimate?
Please take the time to verify bugs you've filed that are still active. Go to Connect and let us know if they still happen or if they have been fixed. When burning your DVD's please do so at 1x or 2x and CRC them when done using the CRC utility posted on the Connect site. The customer experience improvement telemetry that we've been getting back on Beta 2 shows that not quite ¾ of setup failures are the result of a failure to read from the media. Testing shows that burning at slower speeds greatly increases the chances of a good burn.
a.. Remove Applications Before Upgrading When upgrading Windows Vista Beta2 x64 to Windows Vista 5456 x64 you may be unable to uninstall applications after the upgrade is completed. We recommend users uninstall any applications prior to upgrade that you may need to remove after the upgrade has completed. b.. Potential Data Loss with Windows Mail Existing Windows Mail settings AND Data will NOT migrate successfully from Beta 2 to 5456. Be sure to use Windows Easy Transfer to save any Windows Mail data you care about before upgrading. You will receive an error message when first booting into 5456.5 that says "Unable to upgrade your message databases." Once the upgrade completes you can restore your Windows Mail settings and data using Windows Easy Transfer. c.. Last Logged in User Changed on Upgrade When upgrading from Beta 2 to 5456, the last logged in username shown at the logon screen after completing the upgrade will be Administrator. You will need to click the "Switch User" button to login as your user account. d.. Xbox 360 as a Media Center Extender Support for Xbox 360 as a Media Center extender is not included in this Vista build. In order to continue using the Xbox 360 as a Media Center Extender with Vista, please remain on Beta 2 (build 5384). Support for the Xbox 360 as an Extender will be available in a future Vista build. e.. Pseudo Localized Text Present Parts of the OS contain Pseudo-localized text, or non-english characters placed together to approximate English words. (Text that looks similar to the following: "?i?d??§ ?èðì? Þläÿ??") This is used internally, is known and being addressed in future builds. f.. Username with a . generates error On a clean install, during OOBE, if you add a username which contains a period (.) in it, you will receive an error message after hitting next that says your computer name is invalid. You will need to remove the period from the computer name to continue. This is set to be fixed in a future build. Please take the time to download and provide feedback as early as possible. Information about ways to provide feedback can be located in the Feedback icon on the desktop of your Windows Vista system. Participants may access the new build immediately by going to the Longhorn/Windows Vista home page on Connect and selecting Downloads from the left-hand pane. New product keys are available on Connect for Home, Home Premium, Business, . Your previous keys from package [5342 and Up] will continue activate Ultimate edition.

From http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,2180,1982512,00.asp
On June 27, when asked whether Microsoft had any availability update, a spokeswoman provided the following statement, via e-mail:
"In March we announced 'Microsoft is on track to complete the product this year, with business availability in November 2006 and broad consumer availability in January 2007.' We continue to track to those dates but have always said (and our customers expect) that quality is the final determinant."
The company plans to make available Release Candidate 1, the near-final and more broadly available test build, of Vista in the third calendar quarter of this year, the spokeswoman added.
Some testers who downloaded the new build over the weekend said they felt Microsoft should have designated 5456 as Beta 2 and held off from releasing the code to a wider testing audience until this week. Others said they thought Microsoft should give all Beta 2 testers the option of installing the latest test build, as it is more stable and solid than the code they downloaded a month ago.
The new Vista test build "feels like, two steps forward, and one step back" when compared to Beta 2, said Ryan Hoffman, a Windows tester and founder of the Extended64.com Web site. "I've had some bad experiences with Desktop Window Manager (DWM) on my desktop, but overall, it's better than Beta 2."
Of the few new additions to Build 5456 are:
a.. An option to install and turn on the ActiveX installer service. The service is designed to facilitate the installation of ActiveX controls, if approved by an administrator, by a standard user. The goal: To make User Account Control (UAC) security more practical and useful to enterprises.
a.. The return of the List View feature
a.. Fewer UAC prompts, especially when deleting items from the desktop
a.. Draggable Internet Explorer tabs Microsoft officials are aware of problems that testes have encountered with Beta 2, and are encouraging testers to continue to report them.
"Not quite three-fourths of (Beta 2) setup failures are the result of a failure to read from the media," Microsoft officials reported in the note inviting testers to try Build 5456. "Testing shows that burning at slower speeds greatly increases the chances of a good burn."
But 5456 isn't problem-free, either. Microsoft is cautioning testers to remove applications before upgrading from Beta 2 to 5456 in certain cases.
"When upgrading Windows Vista Beta2 x64 to Windows Vista 5456 x64 you may be unable to uninstall applications after the upgrade is completed. We recommend users uninstall any applications prior to upgrade that you may need to remove after the upgrade has completed," Microsoft officials said, via the note to testers.
Microsoft also is cautioning testers that their existing Windows Mail settings and data will not migrate successfully from Beta 2 to 5456.
Several testers running 5456 said poor driver support continues to be a nagging problem for Vista.
"The biggest problems that I have is with drivers," Extended 64's Hoffman said. "Right now, nVidia graphics drivers are just not at the quality that they need to be - and that's my frustration."
Brandon LeBlanc, a blogger with Microsoft's The Hive online community site, also said he is having driver problems, even with the latest build.
"I like 5456, but it doesn't run well on the Toshiba M400 due to lack of drivers on Intel's part," LeBlanc said.
Since Beta 2, the M400 has been unable to sport (Vista's Aero) Glass (interface) due to the lack of drivers. Now this isn't the fault of Microsoft but rather Intel. Intel needs to get with the program here," LeBlanc blogged.
"Kjell Wallin" wrote in message I read on the internet that th elatest build 5456 is out an dmuch more stable than previously, including - I hope - more WLAN nw adepter driver support.
My simple question is how I get hold of this cause Windows update does not seem to download it, cause I am still running build 5384 ...
Can anyone help ? Cause I am desparate to get my WLAN Netgear WPV111 device to work !

It's really simplistic for someone as bright and articulate as you to launch the misperception I'm "anti-MSFT"--it's a very large company and too big a segment of them are arrogant; hate any type of feedback that's critical; and regard the masses with a lot more disdain than Marie Antoinette in the "let them eat cake days" or the current Congress or West Wing in the U.S.
CH
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message

If you are so anti-MS then why did you even bother to download the CPP?
"Chad Harris" <Bushisamoron.net> wrote in message Posted for the features MSFT claimed to fix or reintroduce not for the quote included about who can use it. There seem to be many threads about the features of what everyone doesn't have which is always part of the MSFT marketing strategy. They can't keep a secret like Apple, so they try to buil interest by witholding interim builds--a stategy since 95.
CH
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message 5456 is Beta 2. It is just another interim build. Unfortunately, if you are not a Techbeta tester no one here can tell you how to download it since it is only available through Microsoft Connect to registered testers.
Everyone knows this Chad.
"Chad Harris" <Bushisamoron.net> wrote in message
http://www.activewin.com/awin/comments.asp?HeadlineIndex=35590&Group=1
Dear Longhorn / Windows Vista Beta Tester, We are pleased to announce the availability of Microsoft® WindowsT VistaT Build 5456!! Many, many of the things you've reported in Beta 2 have been fixed. While we believe this build to be generally better than beta 2, it is an interim build and has not been through a rigorous test pass. Keeping that in mind we would like you to try it out, move off of Beta 2 and begin filing bugs against 5456. In addition to the many bug fixes you'll find:
a.. List View is back! Thanks to your feedback on this the shell team has added back this popular feature. b.. We no longer change the system clock when you set your time zone. We have removed this feature. c.. UAC behavior has changed a bit. You'll find deleting things off the desktop to work much easier now for starters. d.. The images posted first will be for x86 and x64 English. Home Basic, Home Premium, Business and Ultimate are all in the image and can be installed with the appropriate product key. You will not need a new key for this build. Existing beta 2 keys will work. e.. The Windows Driver Kit, Software Development Kit in addition to German and Japanese language versions of Vista are planned to follow shortly. Upgrade Beta 2 - Beta 2 to RC1 will be a supported scenario. We need your help finding bugs we need to fix that may impact our TAP customers that have deployed Beta 2 and the Preview Program users who may upgrade. The below items are a few we know about already. If you must clean install, clean install Home Basic or Home Premium and hunt for bugs specific to that build. Do the help files point at a feature that's not there? Is there something broken there that works in Ultimate?
Please take the time to verify bugs you've filed that are still active. Go to Connect and let us know if they still happen or if they have been fixed. When burning your DVD's please do so at 1x or 2x and CRC them when done using the CRC utility posted on the Connect site. The customer experience improvement telemetry that we've been getting back on Beta 2 shows that not quite ¾ of setup failures are the result of a failure to read from the media. Testing shows that burning at slower speeds greatly increases the chances of a good burn.
a.. Remove Applications Before Upgrading When upgrading Windows Vista Beta2 x64 to Windows Vista 5456 x64 you may be unable to uninstall applications after the upgrade is completed. We recommend users uninstall any applications prior to upgrade that you may need to remove after the upgrade has completed. b.. Potential Data Loss with Windows Mail Existing Windows Mail settings AND Data will NOT migrate successfully from Beta 2 to 5456. Be sure to use Windows Easy Transfer to save any Windows Mail data you care about before upgrading. You will receive an error message when first booting into 5456.5 that says "Unable to upgrade your message databases." Once the upgrade completes you can restore your Windows Mail settings and data using Windows Easy Transfer. c.. Last Logged in User Changed on Upgrade When upgrading from Beta 2 to 5456, the last logged in username shown at the logon screen after completing the upgrade will be Administrator. You will need to click the "Switch User" button to login as your user account. d.. Xbox 360 as a Media Center Extender Support for Xbox 360 as a Media Center extender is not included in this Vista build. In order to continue using the Xbox 360 as a Media Center Extender with Vista, please remain on Beta 2 (build 5384). Support for the Xbox 360 as an Extender will be available in a future Vista build. e.. Pseudo Localized Text Present Parts of the OS contain Pseudo-localized text, or non-english characters placed together to approximate English words. (Text that looks similar to the following: "?i?d??§ ?èðì? Þläÿ??") This is used internally, is known and being addressed in future builds. f.. Username with a . generates error On a clean install, during OOBE, if you add a username which contains a period (.) in it, you will receive an error message after hitting next that says your computer name is invalid. You will need to remove the period from the computer name to continue. This is set to be fixed in a future build. Please take the time to download and provide feedback as early as possible. Information about ways to provide feedback can be located in the Feedback icon on the desktop of your Windows Vista system. Participants may access the new build immediately by going to the Longhorn/Windows Vista home page on Connect and selecting Downloads from the left-hand pane. New product keys are available on Connect for Home, Home Premium, Business, . Your previous keys from package [5342 and Up] will continue activate Ultimate edition.

From http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,2180,1982512,00.asp
On June 27, when asked whether Microsoft had any availability update, a spokeswoman provided the following statement, via e-mail:
"In March we announced 'Microsoft is on track to complete the product this year, with business availability in November 2006 and broad consumer availability in January 2007.' We continue to track to those dates but have always said (and our customers expect) that quality is the final determinant."
The company plans to make available Release Candidate 1, the near-final and more broadly available test build, of Vista in the third calendar quarter of this year, the spokeswoman added.
Some testers who downloaded the new build over the weekend said they felt Microsoft should have designated 5456 as Beta 2 and held off from releasing the code to a wider testing audience until this week. Others said they thought Microsoft should give all Beta 2 testers the option of installing the latest test build, as it is more stable and solid than the code they downloaded a month ago.
The new Vista test build "feels like, two steps forward, and one step back" when compared to Beta 2, said Ryan Hoffman, a Windows tester and founder of the Extended64.com Web site. "I've had some bad experiences with Desktop Window Manager (DWM) on my desktop, but overall, it's better than Beta 2."
Of the few new additions to Build 5456 are:
a.. An option to install and turn on the ActiveX installer service. The service is designed to facilitate the installation of ActiveX controls, if approved by an administrator, by a standard user. The goal: To make User Account Control (UAC) security more practical and useful to enterprises.
a.. The return of the List View feature
a.. Fewer UAC prompts, especially when deleting items from the desktop
a.. Draggable Internet Explorer tabs Microsoft officials are aware of problems that testes have encountered with Beta 2, and are encouraging testers to continue to report them.
"Not quite three-fourths of (Beta 2) setup failures are the result of a failure to read from the media," Microsoft officials reported in the note inviting testers to try Build 5456. "Testing shows that burning at slower speeds greatly increases the chances of a good burn."
But 5456 isn't problem-free, either. Microsoft is cautioning testers to remove applications before upgrading from Beta 2 to 5456 in certain cases.
"When upgrading Windows Vista Beta2 x64 to Windows Vista 5456 x64 you may be unable to uninstall applications after the upgrade is completed. We recommend users uninstall any applications prior to upgrade that you may need to remove after the upgrade has completed," Microsoft officials said, via the note to testers.
Microsoft also is cautioning testers that their existing Windows Mail settings and data will not migrate successfully from Beta 2 to 5456.
Several testers running 5456 said poor driver support continues to be a nagging problem for Vista.
"The biggest problems that I have is with drivers," Extended 64's Hoffman said. "Right now, nVidia graphics drivers are just not at the quality that they need to be - and that's my frustration."
Brandon LeBlanc, a blogger with Microsoft's The Hive online community site, also said he is having driver problems, even with the latest build.
"I like 5456, but it doesn't run well on the Toshiba M400 due to lack of drivers on Intel's part," LeBlanc said.
Since Beta 2, the M400 has been unable to sport (Vista's Aero) Glass (interface) due to the lack of drivers. Now this isn't the fault of Microsoft but rather Intel. Intel needs to get with the program here," LeBlanc blogged.
"Kjell Wallin" wrote in message I read on the internet that th elatest build 5456 is out an dmuch more stable than previously, including - I hope - more WLAN nw adepter driver support.
My simple question is how I get hold of this cause Windows update does not seem to download it, cause I am still running build 5384 ...
Can anyone help ? Cause I am desparate to get my WLAN Netgear WPV111 device to work !

"Chad Harris" <Bushisamoron.net> wrote in message

It's really simplistic for someone as bright and articulate as you to launch the misperception I'm "anti-MSFT"--it's a very large company and too big a segment of them are arrogant; hate any type of feedback that's critical; and
regard the masses with a lot more disdain than Marie Antoinette in the "let them eat cake days" or the current Congress or West Wing in the U.S.

Marie Antoinette never said that- an oft repeated historical fallacy.
About the same as, "Play it again, Sam"- Humphrey Bogart never said that.
----------------------------------- The original quote comes from Jean-Jacques Rousseau's Confessions: "Finally, I recalled the make-shift of a great princess who was told that the peasants had no bread and who replied: ‘Let them eat brioche’. " ("Je me rappelai le pis-aller d’une grande princesse à qui l’on disait que les paysans n’avaient pas de pain, et qui répondit, qu’ils mangent de la brioche. "). He could not have been speaking of Marie-Antoinette, as she was 10 when he wrote this, and not yet born at the time of the incident. It has been speculated that he was actually referring to Maria Theresa of Spain or various other aristocrats,though no evidence has ever been offered for this; most likely it was his own invention. (Ask Yahoo, The Straight Dope)
Louis XVI's coronation took place at Rheims during the height of a bread shortage in Paris. This is the context in which she is incorrectly quoted as joking, "If they have no bread, then let them eat cake!" ("Qu'ils mangent de la brioche.") Cake at this time was a euphemism for a type of French bread, using less flour; however, there is no evidence that this phrase was ever uttered by Marie Antoinette. When Marie Antoinette actually heard about the bread shortage she wrote, "It is quite certain that in seeing the people who treat us so well despite their own misfortune, we are more obliged than ever to work hard for their happiness. The king seems to understand this truth; as for myself, I know that in my whole life (even if I live for a hundred years) I shall never forget the day of the coronation."

Technical support and lessons in fine literary history all in one place! I'll never go elsewhere...
"MICHAEL" wrote in message "Chad Harris" <Bushisamoron.net> wrote in message

It's really simplistic for someone as bright and articulate as you to launch the misperception I'm "anti-MSFT"--it's a very large company and too big a segment of them are arrogant; hate any type of feedback that's critical; and
regard the masses with a lot more disdain than Marie Antoinette in the "let them eat cake days" or the current Congress or West Wing in the U.S.

Marie Antoinette never said that- an oft repeated historical fallacy.
About the same as, "Play it again, Sam"- Humphrey Bogart never said that.
----------------------------------- The original quote comes from Jean-Jacques Rousseau's Confessions: "Finally, I recalled the make-shift of a great princess who was told that the peasants had no bread and who replied: ‘Let them eat brioche’. " ("Je me rappelai le pis-aller d’une grande princesse à qui l’on disait que les paysans n’avaient pas de pain, et qui répondit, qu’ils mangent de la brioche. "). He could not have been speaking of Marie-Antoinette, as she was 10 when he wrote this, and not yet born at the time of the incident. It has been speculated that he was actually referring to Maria Theresa of Spain or various other aristocrats,though no evidence has ever been offered for this; most likely it was his own invention. (Ask Yahoo, The Straight Dope)
Louis XVI's coronation took place at Rheims during the height of a bread shortage in Paris. This is the context in which she is incorrectly quoted as joking, "If they have no bread, then let them eat cake!" ("Qu'ils mangent de la brioche.") Cake at this time was a euphemism for a type of French bread, using less flour; however, there is no evidence that this phrase was ever uttered by Marie Antoinette. When Marie Antoinette actually heard about the bread shortage she wrote, "It is quite certain that in seeing the people who treat us so well despite their own misfortune, we are more obliged than ever to work hard for their happiness. The king seems to understand this truth; as for myself, I know that in my whole life (even if I live for a hundred years) I shall never forget the day of the coronation."

"Mark D. VandenBerg" wrote in message

Technical support and lessons in fine literary history all in one place! I'll never go elsewhere...

The conclusion of today's lesson:
You would never say, "alittle". So, please, do not say, "alot".
;-)
-Michael

unless you mean allot, then spell it correctly
"MICHAEL" wrote in message

"Mark D. VandenBerg" wrote in message Technical support and lessons in fine literary history all in one place! I'll never go elsewhere...
The conclusion of today's lesson:
You would never say, "alittle". So, please, do not say, "alot".
;-)
-Michael

On the contrary. Antoina Fraser is a great biographer but I wouldn't believe everything she writes.
1) Marie was a precocious ten year old when she said it. 2) You weren't hanging with her were you then?
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_334.html
http://ask.yahoo.com/20021122.html
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_marie_antoinette.htm
CH
"MICHAEL" wrote in message

"Chad Harris" <Bushisamoron.net> wrote in message It's really simplistic for someone as bright and articulate as you to launch the misperception I'm "anti-MSFT"--it's a very large company and too big a segment of them are arrogant; hate any type of feedback that's critical; and
regard the masses with a lot more disdain than Marie Antoinette in the "let them eat cake days" or the current Congress or West Wing in the U.S.
Marie Antoinette never said that- an oft repeated historical fallacy.
About the same as, "Play it again, Sam"- Humphrey Bogart never said that.
----------------------------------- The original quote comes from Jean-Jacques Rousseau's Confessions: "Finally, I recalled the make-shift of a great princess who was told that the peasants had no bread and who replied: ‘Let them eat brioche’. " ("Je me rappelai le pis-aller d’une grande princesse à qui l’on disait que les paysans n’avaient pas de pain, et qui répondit, qu’ils mangent de la brioche. "). He could not have been speaking of Marie-Antoinette, as she was 10 when he wrote this, and not yet born at the time of the incident. It has been speculated that he was actually referring to Maria Theresa of Spain or various other aristocrats,though no evidence has ever been offered for this; most likely it was his own invention. (Ask Yahoo, The Straight Dope)
Louis XVI's coronation took place at Rheims during the height of a bread shortage in Paris. This is the context in which she is incorrectly quoted as joking, "If they have no bread, then let them eat cake!" ("Qu'ils mangent de la brioche.") Cake at this time was a euphemism for a type of French bread, using less flour; however, there is no evidence that this phrase was ever uttered by Marie Antoinette. When Marie Antoinette actually heard about the bread shortage she wrote, "It is quite certain that in seeing the people who treat us so well despite their own misfortune, we are more obliged than ever to work hard for their happiness. The king seems to understand this truth; as for myself, I know that in my whole life (even if I live for a hundred years) I shall never forget the day of the coronation."